and he goes, barbara, i don't know. i don't know i'm fat. >> this is like, you know this is almost like -- gavin has said this, but it is an achievement to get large. >> down where i am from, this is svelt. this is a practical thing. i spent four months on a bus, and once you get secret service you never walk. whatever his weight is before he starts campaigning, think add 50. >> the secret service keep you from walking? >> let me tell you something. they pick you up from the front door, and they take you to events. they pick you up and drop you off at planes. you stop walking. >> they don't want you approached. let me ask you, harris, what do you make of this? do you think it was offensive for her to bring up his weight? >> i think it was irrelevant, although people are talking about it. i would have owned it then. i would have said, you know, you look like you're hungry. is that a problem? >> bill, here is my problem. we are losing our fat people. there are none in the public eye. 234* the old days there were fat role